This is an ongoing discussion about 17th Century naval wargaming (really, 1620-1720). Part of what is offered are scenarios for games: orders-of-battle, ship lists, battle descriptions, and scenarios for Age of Sail II-Privateers Bounty (a sailing warfare computer simulation/game), suitable scaled for that environment. Copyright (c) 2003-2004 James C. Bender
The Lion of Amsterdam (Leeuw van Amsterdam) the Hope of Rotterdam (Hoop van Rotterdam) The Christopher of Flushing (perhaps the Groote Christoffel van Vlissingen) The Royal Princess (Prinses Roijael) The Wonder (?)Perhaps this bogus list is the reason that Dr. Ballhausen thought that the Admiralty of the Maze ship commanded by Dirck Juynbol and lost in the battle was named the Hoop (Hope). Actually, his ship was named Gelderland (30 guns). No other Dutch warships were lost, as far as we know from published sources.
Adm Name guns sailors soldiers
M Aemilia 57 200 40
(4-36pdr, 11-24pdr, 12-18pdr, 21-12pdr, 9-6pdr)
M Maagd van Dordrecht 46 140 30
(10-24pdr, 14-18pdr, 16-12pdr, 6-6pdr)
Z Vlissingen 34 ? ?
About any other ships, we would just be guessing. Knowing the Vlissingen is of doubtful utility, since there is no data for her in De Jonge's list.
Ship Guns Crew Rank Commander Unie 94 550 Lt-Admiral Philips van Almonde Eerste Edele 72 400 Vice-Admiral Cornelis Evertsen Dordrecht 72 375 Schout-bij-Nacht Paulus van der Dussen Katwijk 72 375 captain Lynslager Wapen van Alkmaar 72 375 captain Bolck Aemelia 66 365 captain Cleyburgh Wapen van Aernhem 66 365 captain C. Cleyn Gouda 64 325 captain Beeckman Veluwe 64 325 captain Cornelis van Brakel Wapen van Utrecht 64 325 captain van Veen Vlissingen 50 225 captain Tresel Batavier 50 210 captain van Toll Provincie Utrecht 50 210 captain Zas van den Bossche Beschutter 38 150 captain Schaap Briel 34 136 captain van de Graaf l'Aurore 28 120 captain Muregnault Blikkenburg,hoeker 14 50 commandeur J. Coerte 2 bomb vessels 2 fireships 2 ammunition shipsThis is from Vol.III of J. C. De Jonge's book, Geschiedenis van het Nederlandsche Zeewezen.
Length on the keel: 114ft Beam outside planking: 33ft-8in Depth in hold: 14ft English Burden: 687 tonsJeremy Smith described her as carrying but 26 guns. The English eventually put 60 guns into her, as she was as big as a Third Rate. An obvious question to me is to ask what her Dutch dimensions might have been, in Amsterdam feet. These are my estimates:
Length from stem to sternpost: 160ft Beam inside of the planking: 38ft Hold at the deck edge: 16ftI am somewhat surprised by this conclusion, as she would then be the same size as the captured Vogelstruis, which served the English as the hulk Estridge. The Estridge was actually measuredby the English to somewhat larger dimensions: 116ft x 36ft-3in x 17ft. Because of this, I suspect that the hold in the Vogelstruis was 18ft (Amsterdam).
Dutch Dutch Dutch Engl Engl Engl
Name Guns Length Bean Depth Keel Beam Depth
Elias 34 132.5 30 13 101 27.5 11.5
St. Matheeus 34 144 36 ? 108 32 15
Rooseboom 28 118 27 12.5 84 24.5 11.5
Groote Liefe 38 132 29 13.5 106 28.33 11
Ratios Dutch/English Dutch/English Dutch/English
Length Beam Depth
Elias 1.312 1.091 1.130
St. Matheeus 1.333 1.125 ?
Rooseboom 1.405 1.102 1.087
Groote Liefde 1.245 1.024 1.227
This sort of information can allow us to estimate Dutch dimensions for ships for which we only have the English measurements, when ships were taken as prizes.
Lower deck: 2 brass 24pdr 4-brass 18pdr 2-brass 12pdr 12-culverins, 8pdr Upper deck: 2-brass 6pdr 6-sakers, 5pdr 8-3pdr steenstukkenThis is the only example that I have seen that gave the shot weight for a steenstukken. Sources:
Ship Crew Lasts Commander Dates
Middelburg 85 200 Joos Banckert 8 Jan 1639-2 June 1640
Vlissingen ? ? Frans Janssen 12 Jan 1639-2 Sept 1640
? ? ? Gerrit Hollare 8 Jan 1639-7 Sept 1639
? ? ? Adriaen Swart 30 Sept 1639-2 July 1640
? ? ? Cornelis Evertsen 13 Jan 1639-2 July 1640
? ? ? Abraham Crijnsen 12 Jan 1639-? Sept 1640
? ? ? Adriaen Janssen 13 Jan 1639-2 July 1640
Gloeijenden Oven
Ter Toolen ? ? Frans Mangelaer 12 Jan 1639-12 Sept 1640
? ? ? Bastiaen Tijsz 2 Jan 1639-16 Apr 1640
der Vere 85 Cornelis Ringers 1 Jan 1639-27 Apr 1640
Adriaen Swart seems to have replaced Gerrit Hollare as captain of some ship.
Ships built in 1628 The Ewer of 50 lasts The ship Salamander of 110 lasts The Leeuw of 170 lasts Ships built in 1629 Prins Hendrick of 180 lasts The Sonne of 170 lasts the Grasmeijer of 140 lasts Keyser Carol of 120 lasts The ship Bruijnvisch of 120 lasts Ships built in 1630 The jacht named the Engel of about 60 lasts The boat St. Jacob of about 80 lasts Ships built in 1631 Ship Amelia of about 100 lasts A hoecker ship A hoecker ship A new ship (looks like "op de werss van Hendrick Jorisz") A new ship (looks like "op de werss als vooren")
Rotterdam
lt-admiraal Dorp Aemilia
vice-admiraal Liefhebber Dordrecht
kapitein Willem van Coulster Gelderlant
kapitein Sijbrant Vijch Zeekalf
kapitein Jan van Dijmen Prins Hendrik
Amsterdam
kapitein Joris van Cats Zuijder Zee
kapitein Willem van Brederode Utrecht
kapitein Jacob Brouwer Deventer
kapitein Pieter Meussen Vloo Walcheren
kapitein Denijs Tronquoij Haerlem
kapitein Jacques Forant Gouda
kapitein Jan van Galen Bul (is in England as a captive
with his ship)
Zeeland
commandeur Jan Evertsen Vlissingen
kapitein Joost Bankert Middelburg
kapitein Frans Jansz Zeeridder
kapitein Vlieger Meerminne
kapitein Hollare Hasewint
kapitein Regermorter Zierickzee
North Holland
vice-admiraal Quast Nassau
kapitein Claes Ham Davit (Koning David)
kapitein Bleecker Eendracht
? ? Hollandsche Tuijn (kapitein Halfhoorn)
? ? Eenhoorn (kapitein Keert de Koe)
1. ship named the Groene Draeck
2. the Vergulde Arent]
3. the Neptunis
4. Zeecalf
5. the Dolphijn
6. the kleine Orangieboom
7. the jacht the Swarten Arent
8. the Ewer
9. the Zeeridder
10. the St. Andries is the 15 April 1628, of the
Captain Bockingen, was taken by the enemy. Of 140 lasts
11. the Drie Coningen of 130 lasts is on 15 April 1628,
with Captain Pieter Cornelisz was sunk was was the forenamed ship
at sea were to protect the small fishery
12. the Dubbele Arent
13. the Oude Abraham
14. the Jonas
15. the Swarten Leeuw
16. the Bruijnvisch of 120 lasts, under Captain Snerbur? was taken
by the enemy at the end of August 1628
17. the boat St. Anthonis
18. the boat St. Jacob, of 50 lasts, was sold on 16 September 1628
19. the Orangieboom
20. Gelderlant
21. Postpaert
22. the Tonijn
23. the Cleyne Neptunis
24. the Eendracht
25. the Wassende Maen
Length of Keel Beam Depth of Hold 94ft 33ft 13ftWe also know the Hope's armament at various dates:
demi cannon demi- port
cannon perrier culverin culverin saker minion falcon piece fowler base
(32pdr) (24pdr) (18pdr) (9pdr) (5.25pdr)(4pdr) (3pdr) ? ? (1pdr)
1569 9 4 14 7 6 2 8 4 10 12
1585 4 2 6 10 4 2 1 4 6 12
1599 4 2 9 11 4 2 4 2
The Hope took part in the Armada campaign in 1588, where she was commanded by Robert Crosse. By 1604, she had been rebuilt as the Assurance.
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It is indeed a noteworthy coincidence that, which may be mentioned, that the English and Dutch fleets at the beginning of 1652, on the eve of their life and death struggle, were almost identical in numerical strength. the English naval force consisted of 86 ships, while ours [the Dutch] was composed of 41 convoyers, 36 cruisers, and 10 ships in the Brazil service that counted as "coast ships", was one ship more. Several ships were subtracted from our margin, at the start of hostilities, through various failures. From the total, four ships in British harbours were taken. Of the ships returning from Brazil, one was sunk by the English, while another was taken as prize. At least two of our total were sold. So the total of our States' ships at the start was 79, not much different from our opponents. Whatever the comparison of numbers of our ships to the English, intrinsically, our fleet was worth less than theirs.
Ship Guns Crew Commander Tiger 40 180 Robert Holmes, John Wetwang as flag captain Advice 48 180* Charles O'Bryan Hampshire 42 160 William Coleman Dragon 40 160 Thomas Room Coyle Assurance 38 150 John Narborough Sweepstakes 36 140 Francis Sanders Fountain 36 130 Thomas Leggatt Garland 28 110 Charles Howard Pembroke 28 110 Richard Goodlad Fanfan, yacht 2 30 William Harris Fireships Bryar 12 16 Joseph Paine Richard 4 16 Henry Brown Lizard 6 14 Joseph Harris Fox 6 12 John Elliot Samuel 4 12 William Seale
Ship 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 Ewer, jacht or frigate, 50 lasts X X X X Salamander 110 lasts X X X X X Leeuw 180 lasts X X X X X Leeuwinne 170 lasts X X X X X Prins Hendrick 170 lasts X X X X Sonne (Zon) 170 lasts X X Grasmeijer 140 lasts X X X X Sint Jacob, boat 50 or 80 lasts X X X X Amelia 100 lasts X X Neptunis X X X X X Dolphijn X X X X X Orangieboom X X X X X Groene Draeck 150 lasts X X X X Eendracht X X X X X Swarten Leeuw 110 lasts X X X X X Zeekalf X X X X Vliegende Arent X X X X X Tonijn X X X X X Jonas X X X X X Keijser Carol 170 lasts X X X X Cleyne Orangieboom 100 lasts X X X Wafende Maen 140 lasts X X X X X Oude Abraham 170 lasts X X X X X Prins Willem X X Tijger X Postpaert 100 lasts X X X X Bruijnvisch 120 lasts X X X X Cleyne Neptunis X X X X? Gelderlant 180 lasts X X Swarten Arent, jacht 100 lasts X X X Sint Antonis 60 lasts X X Zeeridder 180 lasts X X Engel 60 lasts X X Sint Anthonis 140 lasts X Drie Coningen 130 lasts X Dubbele Arent XThis is based on a number of documents from the Nationaal Archief that I received in early 2003.
In Schalaway (somewhat speculative, as the names are often misspelled): Key: A = Admiralty of Amsterdam A-Dir = Amsterdam Directors Ed-Dir = Edam Directors (Noorderkwartier) Ha-Dir = Harlingen Directors (Friesland) Ho-Dir = Hoorn Directors (Noorderkwartier) R = Admiralty of Rotterdam (the Maze) Ve-Dir = Veere Directors Rank Commander Adm/Dir guns crew Ship commandeur Auke Balck A 46 150 Vrijheid kapitein Jan Olivierszoon Ve-Dir 38 125 Wapen ter Veere kapitein Dirck Pater A-Dir 28 105 Blauwe Arend kapitein Gerbrandt Schatter A 26 95 Dolphijn kapitein Jan Jansz Boermans A 28 100 Prins Willem kapitein Cornelis Naeuoogh A-Dir 34 125 Sint Mattheus kapitein Hendrik Ernestus de Bertrij R ? ? Hollandia kapitein Ariaen Heeres Cleyntie Ha-Dir 28 100 Vergulde Pelicaen kapitein Cornelis Janszoon Poort A-Dir 34 125 Kroon Imperiael kapitein Dirck Juynbol R 30 131 Gelderland kapitein Quirijn van den Kerckhoff R 26 110 Maria kapitein Frederick Bogaert A-Dir 28 115 Engel Michiel kapitein Bruijn van Seelst A-Dir 38 135 Groote Liefde kapitein Cornelis Jansz Brouwer A-Dir 28 105 Valck kapitein Jacob Pieterszoon Hoeck (Houck)Ho-Dir 30 110 Sampson kapitein Bastiaen Bardoel A-Dir 28 110 Engel Gabriel kapitein Andries Douweszoon Pascaert Ha-Dir 28 105 Sint Vincent kapitein Jacob Syvertsen Spanheym A-Dir 34 120 Elias kapitein Jan Frederikszoon Houckboot Ed-Dir 30 110 Vergulde Meerman kapitein Hendrick de Raedt A-Dir 28 130 Zwarte Leeuw kapitein Leendert Haecxwant R 22 90 Utrecht commandeur Allert Adriaenszoon R ? ? Sint Jacob, fireshipThis is based on the list in Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet, from the Maritiem Museum Prins Hendrik, in Rotterdam and annotated from my research results.
I have a number of lists of captains, and sometimes guns and crew, as well, in the Dutch fleet in 1652. One list is from 15 July 1652, prior to the storm in the Shetlands. That is somewhat similar to the list in Hendrick de Raedt's pamphlet (from the Prins Hendrik Museum in Rotterdam). I also have alist from 20 September 1652 that has some nuggets that are not available anywhere else. We also know that there is a list, in a pamphlet, of the fleet on 30 June 1652. As usual, the process of transcribing and analyzing is timeconsuming.
An example of what is in the 20 September 1652 list follows:
Capitein Cornelis Jacobsz. Brouwer, 't ship de Vergulde Valck, ingecomen den 20 dito, helst onder boort 21 Meij, van 110 coppen. Volck victualen... [the rest is unintelligible].
As usual, reading one of the documents takes time, as often, it takes days or weeks to recognize the squiggles as words in archaic Dutch. (Admittedly, this example leaves something to be desired).
Ship Guns Commander
Royal Oak 64 Gerard Elwes, flagship of
Vice-Admiral Sir George Rooke
Breda 62 flagship of Rear-Admiral Thomas Hopsonn
Monmouth 58 Peter Pickard
Lumley Castle (M) 56 George Meester
Monck 52 Stafford Fairborne
Lion 52 Thomas Gardner
Loyal Merchant (M) 50 Philip Harris
Princess Anne (M) 48 William Wakelin
Tiger Prize 48 Robert Sincock
Woolwich 46 Christopher Myngs
Newcastle 46 John Baker
Chatham 44 John Leader
Smyrna Factor (M) 40 Edward Littleton
Sheerness 28 John Norris
Lark 16 Peter Wotton
Admiraal Generaal 84 Rear-Admiral P. van der Goes
Gelderland 72 Andries Stilte
Zeeland 64 Philip Schrijver
Wapen van Medemblik 64 Juriaan van der Poel
Oost-Stellingwerf 52 ?
Nijmegen 50 ?
Schiedam 50 W. van Rechteren
Wapen van den Schermer 44 ?
Salamander, bomb vessel ?
Suzanna, bomb vessel ?
Dispatch, brigantine 2 Thomas Peacok
Speedwell, fireship 8 Thomas Simonds
Vulture, fireship 8 William Lindsey
Muscovia Merchant, storeship
Daniel Parsons
two Dutch fireships
The battle went badly for the Allies, as two Dutch ships were lost, the Wapen van Medemblik and the Zeeland, as well as 92 merchantships "taken, burnt, or sunk". The result could have been worse, if the French captains had followed Tourville's orders. The battle was fought near Lagos, Portugal and Cape St. Vincent.
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