The frigate Vrede In Maas feet: Length: 101-3/4ft Beam: 25ft Hold: 11ft In Amsterdam feet: Length: 111ft Beam: 27ft-3in Hold: 12ftSources:
- Ron van Maanen, unpublished manuscript "Dutch Warships 1600-1800", undated, but circa 1992
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The frigate Vrede In Maas feet: Length: 101-3/4ft Beam: 25ft Hold: 11ft In Amsterdam feet: Length: 111ft Beam: 27ft-3in Hold: 12ftSources:
4 March 1652: 100ft x 23ft x 8ft 16 Nov 1652: 4-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 6-6pdr, 4-4pdr 25 March 1653: 4-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 6-6pdr, 4-4pdr 1654: 2-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 6-6pdr, 4-4pdr 13 April 1655: 4-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 6-6pdr, 4-4pdr 17 July 1655: 100ft long (Maas feet)
I need to more seriously analyzed Ron's lists to find the lists, so that I can differentiate between the lists and dates for information about individual ships
The frigate Sphaera Mundi, Capt. Simon Loncke Length from stem to sternpost: 126ft Beam: 28ft Hold: 13-1/2ft Height between decks: 6ft 40 guns Crew: 140 sailors 60 soldiers
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number 56 unready. small and unready number 57 unready, as 56 number 57 unready. Fluit of war number 58 ready. (the Dutch is something like "mit dat de Bark vermaekt werda")From Witte de With's list, we see the captains, and we can add information that we know:
Adm Ship Guns Crew Captain R-Dir Hollandia 26 95 Ruth Jacobsz Buys R Roskam 24 95 Corstiaen Elderszoon R-Dir Sint Pieter Sijmon Cornelisz van der Meer R-Dir Prins 38 168 Jacob CleijdijckWe believe that the Roskam was actually hired by the Admiralty of the Maze (Rotterdam). Sources:
The ship Gelderesche Ruiter Length from stem to sternpost: 140ft Beam: 29ft Hold: 14ft Height over hold: 7ft 46 guns: 4-18pdr, 18-12pdr, 12-8pdr, 14-6pdr, 8-3pdr (This doesn't add up. There are an extra 10 guns somewhere here) Crew: 200 menSources:
Adm Ship Guns Crew Captain N Prins Maurits 28 105 Cornelis Taenman N Burcht (?) 24 100 Pieter Aldertszoon N Alkmaar 28 95 Jan Warnaertsz Capelman N Burgh van Alkmaar 24 95 Gerrit Nobel N a ship ? ? commandeur Bourgoigne N Nieuw Kasteel ? ? Claes Allertszoon N Peereboom 24 80 Tijs Tijmensz Peereboom N Profeet Samuel 30 ? Reynst Cornelisz Sevenhuysen N Rode Leeuw 24 85 Reynst Cornelisz Sevenhuysen N Scheletje 24 70 Teunis Vechterszoon N Stad Medemblik 26 100 Pieter Schellinger N Tobias 26 90 Willem Ham/Jan Ham N Wapen van Holland 30 Herman Munnekes (Munnick)
One mystery, given that the warships built by the Admiralty of Rotterdam, or Admiralty of the Maze, were generally listed with a good deal of information about the ships. In the 1628 to 1633 timeframe, you just did not see dimensions listed, but Rotterdam had the gun lists in most cases. The Staet van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654 had the dimensions (although usually in Maas feet) and lists of guns carried as well. The Admiralty of Amsterdam, during the same period generally had the same sort of data listed, as well. Perhaps the least well documented admiralty was Zeeland. I was surpiised to see that for ships hired in Amsterdam, we had dimensions for ships hired by the Admiralty of Friesland in 1652.
Now, that we have found information about the Amsterdam hired ships for 1652 and 1653, I have seen Ron van Maanen's list of Dutch warships for 1600 to 1800, and was amazed to see that he has a good bit of information about ships hired by the Noorderkwartier Directors, the Zeeland Directors, and to a lesser extent, the Admiralty of Zeeland and Friesland. The only thing he has for the Admiralty of Rotterdam was the gun list for the hired ship Gulden Beer on 25 March 1653. From Dr. Elias, we had the gun list for the English prize Rozenkrans (the former English Garland). There is seemingly nothing else for Rotterdam hired ships. That seems odd, given that the notary archives for Rotterdam have survived. We might expect, given what was found in Amsterdam, that we might find something similar in Rotterdam. I understand that the Zeeland notary archives did not survive World War II. We can only hope that there is notary information about hired ships in the archives in the cities of north Holland (Hoorn, Monnikendam, Edam, Medemblik, and Enkhuizen).
The ship, the Liefde, Capt. Pieter Adriaansz van Blocker Length from stem to sternpost: 135-1/2ft Beam: 27ft Hold: 13-1/2ft Height over hold: 6-1/4ft 28 guns Crew: 110 men in August 1652Sources:
Adm Ship Guns Crew Captain A Leiden 30 92 Cornelis Jol (also called Hoola) A Zutphen 26 91 Ewout Jeroensz A Hollandsche Tuin 24 70 Hillebrandt Jeroensz A Gouden Leeuw 24 59 Gillis Tijssen Campen A Hollandia 32 107 Albert Claesz de Graeff A Zeelandia 34 105 Lt-Commandeur Nicolaes Marrevelt A-Dir Faam 28 96 Jacob Swart A-Dir Witte Lam 30 80 Cornelis van Houten A-Dir Arke Troijane 28 88 Abraham van Campen A-Dir Sint Francisco 28 91 Stoffel JuriaenszSources:
Adm Ship Guns Crew Captain Length Beam Hold Height A-Dir Hercules 27 104 Capt. Veeneman 120 28.5 13 7 A-Dir Keurvorst van Keulen 32 124 Sijmon Dootjes 131 30 13.25 7Sources:
Adm Ship Guns Crew Captain Mi-VOC Prins Willem 56 283 Jacob Gaeuw Mi-VOC Henrietta Louise 48 228 Pieter MarcuszoonDr. Ballhausen actually has a reaasonable figure for the Prins Willem in his book, on page 365, where he gave 56 guns and a crew of about 280 men. For the "Louisa Hendrika", a variation of the Henrietta Louise name, he gave the figure of 45 guns and a crew of about 220 men, which were oddly enough, not far from the truth. Sources:
Ships that sailed for the rendezvous at the Wielingen, after Witte de With had sailed: Adm Ship Guns Crew Captain A Bommel 34 110 Pieter van Braeckel A Zutphen 26 120 Hillebrandt Jeroenszoon A Westfriesland 28 110 Hendrick Huyskens A-Dir Catherina 28 110 Jacob Jansz Coppe R-VOC Wapen van Nassau 32 124 Jan Arensz van der Werff N Stad Medemblik 30 108 Pieter Schellinger Ships that sailed on 23 April 1653 F Postpaert 30 106 Isaac Codde A-VOC Gerechtigheid 34 105 Evert Swart A-VOC Mercurius 36 110 Pieter de Bitter En-Dir Vergulde Zon 28 115 Jacob Claesz Duijm Ha-Dir Sint Vincent 28 110 Ariaan Heeres Kleijntje The following ships were lying in the Texel roads in late April 1653: A Vrede 44 192 Commandeur Gideon de Wildt A Overijssel 30 114 Jan van Kampen A Gouda 30 114 Jan Egbertsz Ooms A Gelderland 30 114 Cornelis van Velsen A Zeelandia 34 130 Nicolaes Marrevelt A Hollandsche Tuin 24 97 Lt-Commandeur Joris Block Mi-VOC Zwarte Bul 36 139 Willem Folkertszoon Ed-Dir Halve Maan 30 107 Hendrick Pieterszoon A-Dir Sint Matheeus 34* 125* the ship formerly commanded by Cornelis Naeuoogh A-Dir Faam 28 130 Jacob Cornelisz Swart (apparently) Ship recently arrived in the Texel in late April 1653: A Vrijheid 50 207 Abraham van der Hulst A Campen 40 158 Willem van der Zaan N Casteel van Medemblick 28 106 Adriaan HouttuijnSources:
The fluit Graaf Willem, Capt. Jan Coenders Length from stem to sternpost: 129ft Beam: 28ft Hold: 12ft Height over hold: 6-1/2ft 26 guns: 14-8pdr, 9-6pdr, 3-4pdr Crew: 90 menSources:
Admiralty of Friesland Weeks of Captain Crew Guns Victuals Ship (not in journal) Capt. Belevelt Capt. Wigglema 108 29 13 Frisia Capt. Degelcamp 77 28 11 Gelderland Capt. Adriaan Bruijnsvelt 103 28 13 BredaThe list had changed by May 1653:
Admiralty of Friesland Captain Crew Guns Ship (not in journal) Capt. Jacob Codde 106 30 Postpaert Capt. Coenders 85 24 Graaf Willem Capt. Tijmen Claesz 110 28 Westergo Capt. Bulter (42) Kameel Directors' ships of Friesland Captain Crew Guns Ship (not in journal) Capt. Kleijntje 110 28 Sint VincentThe list for July 1653 is more difficult to read:
Admiralty of Friesland Captain Crew Guns Ship Lt-Commandeur Buijbe Juckes 109 30 (Capt. Jan Coenders) 90 26 Graaf Willem the Lt of Capt. Bruynsvelt 116 32 Breda (not in journal) Capt. Cornelies Alles Oosteroon 60 16 Waterhond (not in journal) Capt. Wagenaer 134 34 Graaf Hendrick (not in journal)There is also information about the fleet in September to November 1653:
Admiralty of Friesland Captain Crew Guns Ship Capt. Bruynsvelt 124 32 Breda Capt. Wagenaer 120 34 Graaf Hendrick Directors' ships of Friesland Captain Crew Guns Ship Capt. Kleijntje 101 28 Sint Vincent
Ship guns crew Captain Leeuw 34 126 Pensen Leeuwinne 34 110 Vermeulen Luipaart 37 130 Tieby Milde Marten 26 100 Jan Matthijsz (or hired by the Adm.) Haes 30 110 Bastiaan Sempsem Gecroonde Liefde 34 128 Marcus Hartman nieuw Vlissingen 39 145 Jacob Wolfertsz Dubbele Arent 28 108 Teunis Poort
The ship, the Burgh, Capt. Hendrick Adriaansz Glas Length from stem to sternpost: 130ft Beam: 30ft Hold: 12ft 34 guns (April 1653): 4-24pdr, 14-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 4-6pdr, 2-2pdr Crew: 112 menSources:
Captain Adm Ship Guns Crew Notes Joost Bulter F Kameel 42 (not the Groningen Directors) Pieter de Bitter A-VOC Mercurius 36 110 (not 40 guns and a crew of 200) Frederick Stellingwerf F Zevenwolden 34 133 (not 38 guns and a crew of 135) Pieter Gorcum Z ? 24 90 (not 17 guns and a crew of 60)
The ship Sint Nicolaas Length from stem to sternpost: 116ft Beam: 26ft Hold: 12 or 12-1/4ft Height over hold: 5-1/2 or 5-3/4ft 24-32 guns Crew: 76-90 menSources:
The ship Dolfijn, Capt. Gerbrand Schatter "traditional" 5 April 1653 Length from stem to sternpost: 116ft or 120ft Beam: 25ft or 28ft Hold: 12ft or 10-1/2ft Height over hold: ? or 6-1/4ft 32 guns: 16 November 1653: 8-12pdr, 12-8pdr, 12-6pdr, 4-4pdr 5 April 1653: 8-12pdr, 16-8pdr, 8-6pdr Crew: (1 April 1653) 100 sailors and 20 soldiersSources:
The ship Beurs van Amsterdam, Capt. Cornelis Muts (in June and August 1665) Length from stem to sternpost: 130ft Beam: 31-1/2ft Hold: 12-3/4ft Height over the hold: 7ft 52 guns: 4-18pdr 20-12pdr 10-3pdr Crew: 190 sailors and 45 soldiers in August 1665Sources:
The ship Dubbele Arend, Capt. Allert Janszoon Length from stem to sternpost: 112ft Beam: 26ft Hold: 12ft Height over the hold: 6ft 26 guns (as of 19 December 1652): 2-12pdr 10-8pdr 10-6pdr 4-4pdr Crew: 100 men (Ron says 98-118 men)
The ship Engel Gabriel, Capt. Isaac Sweers Length from stem to sternpost: 136ft Beam: 29ft-6in Hold: (13-6in?) Height over the hold: 7ft 36 guns: 18-12pdr 2-8pdr 12-6pdr 4-4pdr Crew: (130 men)
The ship Engel Gabriel, schipper Evert Pietersz Swart Length from stem to sternpost: 120ft Beam: 27-1/2ft Hold: 12-3/4ft Height above hold: 6ft 28 guns: 6-12pdr 12-6pdr 8-4pdr 2-3pdr Crew: 110 menThis ship is not mentioned by Ron van Maanen and I am unclear on what role the ship played in the First Anglo-Dutch War. We do have many details about the ship, however.
The ship Frisia, Capt. Wigelma Length from stem to sternpost: 120ft Beam: 28ft Hold: 11ft Height over hold: 7ft 28 guns: 2-12pdr 4-10pdr 10-6pdr 4-5pdr Crew: 100 to 110 men