Adm Ship Guns Crew Commander R Aemilia 57 240 Lt-Adm Tromp R Gelderland 34 120 Willem van Colster A Frederik Hendrik 36 120 Pieter Pietersz de Wint N Sampson 32 120 Claes Cornelisz Ham N Hollandsche Tuin 32 120 Lambert Ijsbrantsz Halffhoorn A Deventer 28 110 Robbert Post A Omlandia 28 80 Jan Gerbrandsz Z Veere 32 110 Cornelis Ringelsz WIC Salamander 40 110 Laurens Pietersz Bachuysen N Groote Christoffel 28 90 Frederik Pietersz F Gideon 24 100 Hendrik Jansz Camp Z Meerminne 28 105 Jan Paulusz on the ship of Jan Jacobsz Vlieger
Saturday, October 16, 2010
Monday, July 19, 2010
Wednesday, July 14, 2010
The Noorderkwartier ship Sampson was one of the ships captured by the English on 22 July 1652. The Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1629 said that the Sampson was 220 lasts, but then it also said the the Eenhoorn was 220 lasts. Since we know the exact dimensions for the Eenhoorn, built in 1623 or 1625, we know that the ship was actually 200 lasts. Perhaps the Sampson was also a ship of dimensions 125ft x 29ft x 11-1/2ft x 6-3/4ft, which were the Eenhoorn's dimensions.
Saturday, July 10, 2010
When we look at the period of the First Anglo-Dutch War, we can divide up war into segments of time, based on our knowledge and sources. We can characterize the sources as being from the Nationaal Archief, in The Hague, from Notary Archives from the cities, and more obscure sources such as the Riksarkivet in Stockholm. From February 1652 until August 1652, our knowledge is very incomplete. We have fairly good information from this period about ships hired by the Directors of Amsterdam. We also have good information about ships of the Admiralty of Rotterdam (or the Maze). We have some lists, but little actual ship data from this period. From September 1652 until December 1652, we have better ship data for the Admiralty of Amsterdam, the Admiralty of Zeeland, and the Admiralty of Friesland. We have poor information from this period about the Admiralty of the Noorderkwartier and the various directors other than Amsterdam. We also do not have much information about the VOC ships employed from July to October 1652. Given that the Vogelstruis served from at least July to February 28, 1653, we have very little information (which seems rather surprising). The period of January 1653 to April 1653 is the least documented period of the war. While we have some information from this period, we really do not have the fundamentals: fleet lists and ship data for the majority of the navy. From April until November 1653, we have much more complete information, although still with gaps. It will take some revelations about obscure sources and privately held papers to change the situation. We can speculate that there is more (and we know this to be true) that is known but is being closely held for now. I would be happy to buy other authors' books, if I can find out the sources that they used. I like having photographs of the original documents, not just information about what was found.
Monday, June 21, 2010
One page that I received recently has a gun inventory for one ship and some other gun weights:
Bronze guns 5pdr 1780 lbs 5pdr 1787 lbs 7pdr 2700 lbs 7pdr 2400 lbs Spanish guns 7pdr 2521 lbs 7pdr 2545 lbs 7pdr 2687 lbs 7pdr 2520 lbs 5pdr 1868 lbs 5pdr 1810 lbs Iron Gotelingen 6pdr 2040 lbs 6pdr 1980 lbs 6pdr 2220 lbs 6pdr 2270 lbs 6pdr 2910 lbs 4pdr 1770 lbsThese date from early October 1639
Sunday, May 30, 2010
This is a continuation of what I started on the other blog:
Name Guns Adty. Date Length Beam Depth 28. Griffioen 26* Z 1620 112* 27* 10.5* the ship commanded by Cornelis Loncke in 1649. Note that these are all estimates (*) 29. Groningen 40-48 A 1641 125 31 12 the Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654 gives larger dimensions 30. Haarlem 36-44 A 1644 128 31-1/2 12 Name Guns Adty. Date Length Beam Depth 31. Hollandsche Tuin 32-36 N 1632 128* 29* 11-1/4* This was the ship commanded by Lambert Ysbrantsz Halffhoorn in 1639 and Jan Adriaansz Backer in 1652
Monday, May 24, 2010
This is a continuation of what I started on the other blog:
Name Guns Adty. Date Length Beam Depth 20. Frisia (frigate) 12 F 1637* 78* 17-1/2* If this is the same vessel as that listed in the Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654, then the dimensions are exact. Joost Bulter was listed as captain in 1648, where the vessel was called a frigate, not a smack 21. Gekroonde Liefde 23 Z 110 23-1/2 This was the ship commanded by Dingeman Cats from after the Battle of the Kentish Knock until at least November 1653. The Gekroonde Liefde survived the storm off the Texel after returning from Norway with Witte de With's fleet. 22. Gelderland 40 M 1632 128-8/11 30-6/11 13-7/11 This ship served in the Mediterranean Sea during the First Anglo-Dutch War. The captain was Michiel Fransz van der Bergh. Vreugdenhil gave the dimensions in Maas feet, while these are in Amsterdam feet Name Guns Adty. Date Length Beam Depth 23. Gelderland 24 M 1636 109-1/11 25-1/11 8-8/11 This was the ship commanded by Aert van Nes from the fall of 1652 until the end of the First Anglo-Dutch War. Vreugdenhil gives the dimensions in Maas feet. The Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654 gives the wrong dimensions (those for the larger ships, such as the Gorcum and Rotterdam)
In the fall of 2006, Prof. Jan Glete had sent me a copy of a document from the Riksarkivet that listed all the ship hired by the Admiralty of Amsterdam in 1652. When I examined the list, I immediately saw that the the ship Achilles that Dirk Scheij commanded was the 131ft ship and that the ship carried but 28 guns. As we accumulated more information about the First Anglo-Dutch War, from the Nationaal Archief, I noticed that the Achilles was not mentioned after the Battle of Portland. Yes, the Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654 and a list from 1655 mentioned the Achilles, but the ship seems to have not been employed after the Battle of Portland. The last mention is the list that is reproduced in Vol.IV of The First Dutch War that lists all Amsterdam ships. (NOTE: I just looked at J.C. De Jonge's notes for 1654, and he credits the Achilles with 32 guns at that date, which explains Vreugdenhil).
Saturday, May 22, 2010
I would do some updates to Vreugdenhil's list as follows:
Name Guns Adty. Date Length Beam Depth 1. Achilles 28-32 A 1630* 131 29 13 This was the ship commanded by Dirk Schey in 1652 and early 1653. J.C. De Jonge, in his notes for 1654, credits the Achilles with 32 guns. (2. Achilles is a mistake. There was no second Achilles) 3. Bommel 30-34 A 1645* 120 28-3/4 11-3/4 This was the ship commanded by Pieter van Brakel in 1652-1653 4. Breda 28-32 F 1637 120 29 11-1/2 This was the ship commanded by Hendrik Jansz Camp in Brazil up to 1652 and by Adriaan Bruynsvelt in 1652-1653 5. Brederode 54-59 M 1644 144 35-3/11 14-2/11 The corresponding dimensions in Maas feet were 132ft x 32-1/4ft x 13ft 6. Burcht van Alkmaar 24-28 N 1645* This was the ship commanded by Gerrit Nobel in 1652. The ship was also called the Wapen van Alkmaar 7. Dolfijn 30-32 A 1633 120 28 10-1/2 The dimensions in the Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654 were incorrect, even though lists in 1652-1653 had the correct dimensions 8. Dolfijn 32 M 1631 120 27-9/11 13-7/11 The dimensions in the Staat van Oorlog te Water for the year 1654 were incorrect, even though lists in 1652-1653 had the correct dimensions. The correct dimensions in Maas feet were 110ft x 25-1/2ft x 12-1/2ft 9. Maagd van Dordrecht 42-46 M 1631 141-9/11* 34-10/11* 14-2* Discarded prior to 1645 10. Drente (jacht) 16* A 1637 88* 22* 9Note that all these dimensions are in Amsterdam feet of 283mm and divided into 11 inches. One problem with Vreugdenhil's list is that the earlier Rotterdam ships (Admiralty of the Maze) actually have the dimensions in Maas feet (308mm divided into 12 inches) shown.
Saturday, March 27, 2010
My attention was taken to the fight between the British frigate Shannon and the American frigate Chesapeake, during the War of 1812. I wondered just how mismatched the two ships were. This is the data for the Shannon:
LGD: 150ft-1-1/2in LK: 125ft-2-7/8in B: 39ft-9in D: 13ft-9in Guns: 28-18pdr, 10-9pdr, 8-32pdr carronadesThis is the data for the Chesapeake:
LGD: 151ft LK: 126ft-7in B: 40ft-11in D: 13ft-9in Guns: 28-18pdr, 2-9pdr, 16-32pdr carronadesOn paper, they seem pretty well matched, although the Chesapeake had the disadvantage of so many carronades, so that an enemy might fight beyond their range. The Chesapeake was said to have a crew of new recruits, while the Shannon was commanded by Philip Broke, a premier British frigate captain.
Friday, March 19, 2010
A correspondent of mine pointed out that Google Book Search now has some Hollandsche Mercurius years available as full view items. I hope that they eventually will have full coverage. I happen to have the 17th Century publications for 1650-1658 and 1665-1671, although what I have lacks the nice Reinier Nooms illustrations of the original. The Hollandsche Mercurius is a useful source, although it does not replace what original archival sources that still exist. I would also like to see the Ontstelde-Zee (1654), by "Jodocus Hondius" (apparently a pseudonym) appear in Google Books. The James Ford Bell Library at the University of Minnesota holds a copy. Copies may be more freely available in Europe than here.
Friday, March 05, 2010
From the list of ships dated 4 July 1631 that I received recently, there is the ship Zeeland, commanded by Joris van Cats. This was a ship of 225 lasts, which might have been built to the standard 125ft x 31ft x 12ft x 7ft dimensions. The Zeeland had a crew of 95 men and was armed with the following guns:
4-bronze 18pdr 2-bronze 8pdr 6-iron 12pdr 10-iron 8pdr 4-iron 5pdr 2-bronze 3pdr bases
Sunday, February 28, 2010
You will see the hired ship Postpaert mentioned in The First Dutch War book. The Postpaert was hired by the Admiralty of Friesland in 1652 and served through at least late 1653. The Postpaert was armed with 30 guns: 10-12pdr, 8-8pdr, 8-6pdr, and 4-4pdr guns. The Postpaert had dimensions of 118ft x 28ft x 13ft x 7ft. For most of the First Anglo-Dutch War, Isaac Codde was the Postpaert's captain.
Saturday, February 27, 2010
I continue to be interested in Witte de With and the Battle of the Kentish Knock. I have letters and journals for Witte de With, but I do not have the good journals from 1652 that have been partially included in The First Dutch War, Vol. II. I am particularly interested in the report of the status of ships that was prepared on 10 October 1652 (as I understand it). I have assumed that it is comparable to the report prepared on 23 June 1653, following the Battle of the Gabbard. That latter report is very useful, even though the information is incomplete. For example, there are dimensions and a gun list for Cornelis Pietersz Taenman's ship Prins Maurits that was later sunk off the mouth of the Meuse at the end of the Battle of Scheveningen. Nico Brinck had told me that he had helped raise guns from this ship, although they had a different guess as to the name of the ship.
Saturday, February 06, 2010
On page 2 of J.C.M. Warnsinck's book De Retourvloot van Pieter de Bitter 1664-1665, he states that Pieter de Bitter's ship, the Mercurius, sunk at the Battle of Scheveningen, had 40 guns and a crew of 200 men. Sadly, both figures are wrong. The Mercurius was a fairly small ship, of 122-1/2ft x 30ft x 12ft x 6-1/4 or 6-1/2ft. This was a vessel of about 220 lasts. The Mercurius carried 36 guns: 6-18pdr, 4-12pdr, 10-8pdr, 6-6pdr, 6-4pdr, 2-3pdr, and 2-2pdr guns. The crew varied in size, but often was somewhere between 100 and 120 men. At Scheveningen, the crew may have been 110 men. This is based on documents from April 1653 to August 1653 from several archives.
Sunday, January 31, 2010
There is a document dating from 1652 that lists ships either hired, or considered for hiring by the Admiralty of Amsterdam in the Mediterranean Sea. There are no guns listed but there are partial dimensions:
Port Ship Schipper Dimensions Livorno Sint Pieter Pieter van Breen 130ft x 30ft x ? x 6-1/4ft Venice Sint Philippo Foppe Gerritsen 136ft x 30ft x ? x 6-1/2ft Naples Suzanne Daniel Jansz de Vries 133ft x 29ft x ? x 6-1/4ft Venice Morgensterre Hendrick Govertssen 125ft x 28ft x ? x 6-1/2ft Venice Venetia Cornelis Schellinger 130ft x 28ft x ? x 6-1/2ft Venice Swarten Arent (Pieter Jansz Bonttebotter) 130ft x 28ft x (13ft) x 6-1/2ft Venice Sint Marc ? 130ft x 30ft x ? x 6-1/2ft Livorno Witte Oliphant Seijbrant Jansz Mol 134ft x 29ft x ? x 6-1/2ft Zemia ? Salomons Ordeel Meijndert Teunisz OostWout 141ft x 31ft x ? x 7ft Venice Jupiter Cornelis Jansz 130ft x 30ft x ? x 7ft Naples Sint Andries Anthonij Claesz van Woglom 136ft x 29-1/2ft x ? x 6-1/4ft Venice Arent Claes Cornelisz Roos 132ft x 29ft x ? X 6-1/2ft Naples Pellicaen Cornelis Danielsz 136ft x 29-1/4ft x ? x 6-1/4ft
Sunday, January 10, 2010
For a while in the 2007 timeframe, we believed that there must be two ships named Sint Matheeus. The reason for that is that there seemed to be two sets of dimensions for a ship named Sint Matheeus. One is the ship with length and beam quoted in Vreudenhil's list (144ft x 36ft x 15ft x 7ft) and the other was the ship with dimensions listed in lists of Amsterdam Directors' ships (140ft x 34ft x 15ft x 7-1/3ft). I think that we assumed that the 50 gun ship was the larger of the two. We knew that the 140ft ship initially carried 34 guns. By May 1653, that ship carried 42 guns. In fact, there was only one ship and that was the one captured by the English in the Battle of the Gabbard on 12-13 June 1653. This was the ship that Tromp fretted about in January 1653, when the ship was missing after a storm. Tromp feared that the Sint Matheeus had been captured by the English. He was concerned, because he expected that the Sint Matheeus was large enough that the English would arm the ship with 60 guns. In fact, in the Four Days' Battle in June 1666, the Mathias (as the Sint Matheeus was called by the English) was armed with 54 guns.
Sunday, January 03, 2010
The Amsterdam ship Vrijheid was one of the best Dutch ships serving with the main fleet in early June 1653. Like some other ships, the Vrijheid had been up-gunned after the Battle of Portland (the Driedaagse Zeeslag). The Vrijheid carried 50 guns in the Battle of the Gabbard and for the rest of the First Anglo-Dutch War. They consisted of: 4-24pdr, 22-12pdr, 20-8pdr, 2-6pdr, and 2-3pdr guns. The Vrijheid had carried 46 guns in late 1652: 4-24pdr, 24-12pdr, 16-8pdr, and 2-6pdr guns. This was a very substantial ship for the time: 134ft x 34ft x 13-1/4ft x 7ft and had a crew of 210 men by the fall of 1653. Captain Augustijn Balck had commanded the Vrijheid up until the Battle of Portland, when he was killed. Abraham van der Hulst commanded the Vrijheid for the rest of the war, starting with the Battle of the Gabbard in June 1653.